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Dr. Elana interviews Robin Kaplan, IBCLC about the emotional side of returning to work as a breastfeeding mama and how preparation can make all the difference to reduce anxiety and stress. They cover topics such as a parent’s rights while pumping at work, how to build a freezer stash, and what to do if baby won’t take the bottle. If you are a breastfeeding mama planning to go back to work soon, listen to this episode to get resources and support.
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Robin Kaplan 0:03
If you are working for a business that has more than 50 employees, they are required by law to provide you reasonable break time for pumping and reasonable should be put in air quotes because it really depends on the business and what they deem as being reasonable.
Elana Roumell 0:22
Welcome back to the Whole Mamas Podcast. We’re here to give you tools, resources and evidence based information so you can make the best decisions for yourself and your family. Whether you’re trying to conceive or navigating life with a toddler or a teenager, we got you covered. I’m Dr. Lana Romell, pediatric naturopathic doctor and creator of med school for moms an online resource where I teach moms how to safely be a doctor mom. My co-host is Stephanie Greunke, registered dietitian and program director for Whole30’s Whole Mamas club and co-creator of Whole30’s pregnancy program, Healthy Mama Happy Baby. I’m so happy to have guest Robin Kaplan. She’s an IBC LC here in San Diego. Selfishly I just adore her because she is actually my lactation consultant for Aviva, and so it’s just been so wonderful working with her and having her back on the show she was on a few months ago talking about just breastfeeding tips and today we’re going to be talking about breastfeeding for working moms and strategies we can help in place for them to go back to work and be less stressed and anxious because I know we can all relate to that.
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Robin Kaplan 3:29
Thanks Elana, nice to be on the show again.
Elana Roumell 3:31
Oh yeah. I love chatting with you. Honestly, selfishly, this is like so much fun for me too. And I love sharing awesome people with our guests. So this is great. We got so many great questions from our community. So if a moms listening, if you submitted a question on Instagram, just so you know, I’m going to do my very best to get all the questions in there were just such great questions. But before we go into that, I always love to start with our nourish yourself segment. So what did you do today to nourish yourself, Robin?
Robin Kaplan 3:58
So I knew you’re going to ask this question and I obviously listen to your podcast. So we just got a new dog about two weeks ago to keep our other for a friend and give her friend because she was getting super lonely being at the house by herself when everyone was at work and at school. So I met a friend today at my house and we just took a nice walk this morning in the beautiful San Diego sunshine and got our dogs out and got the dogs all happy too. So it was nice seeing their smiling faces as they were walking and it felt really good to just be outside before starting my day.
Elana Roumell 4:31
Oh my goodness, shoot. This totally inspires me because I’ve been on the fence. I said to Anthony, like, I feel like our dog is like lonely and we need another dog. And he’s like, absolutely not.
Robin Kaplan 4:43
I was super against it forever. But literally my dog Ellie who we’ve had for a year and a half when I would go to work, she’d go lay in my closet until I got home. Oh, I was just like, I can’t I can’t stand it anymore. So now she lays out in the front yard and she just seems like so much happier. So I don’t know. Maybe we can convince Anthony.
Elana Roumell 5:03
So obviously like I’m having a baby soon. So like having a dog and a baby all at once i think is like not a good idea. But I will say if I knew the dogs would get along and they would be like buddies, I’d be thrilled. But my concern is that the dogs like don’t like each other. And now like oh my goodness, what did I just do? Now it just made it worse.
Robin Kaplan 5:24
Yeah, I know that that is definitely a concern I totally get it.
Elana Roumell 5:27
So your dogs though, obviously get along well?
Robin Kaplan 5:30
They do. I mean, so Ellie is like super mellow. Like, just gets along with everybody. She’s a big lug. And so we’ve pretty much figured as long as the other dog wasn’t aggressive, which we obviously didn’t want an aggressive dog anyway, that they would be fine together. So yeah, it’s fun. The other dog is a little bit more alpha female. And so it’s cool, because like, she’ll run out to go chase bunnies in our backyard, and Ellie will chase after her. So it’s perfect. Yeah, it’s getting up and running. But then also, they’re perfectly happy with just laying down and sleeping for half the day too.
Elana Roumell 6:02
I love it. Well, it’s inspiring our dogs names Murray, we absolutely love him. And I think he could really use a play, buddy. So I’m really gonna consider that heavily. Maybe I’ll wait till the baby’s a little bit older. Yeah, great. Well, I’m so glad that worked out for you that is very nourishing. One of the my favorite things about having a dog is that he gets me out walking every morning. So yes, I find that to be a huge gift for both of us. So I think that’s great. Okay, great. So something I’m actually doing later today is I’m going to visit my chiropractor, I haven’t really talked too much about the therapies that I’m doing during my pregnancy, but I am now six months pregnant, when we’re at least recording this podcast, I know I’m totally showing I’m feeling fully pregnant now. And one of the therapies that I choose and I take very seriously is going to see my chiropractor pretty routinely. And I’ll see her every two weeks. And then as it gets closer to delivering I’ll go ahead and see her every every week. And what I just love about it is it’s not only just so I can feel more aligned and have a you know, just a great manipulation while I’m there, it’s actually not a huge reason why go although I do feel great every time she does give me a chiropractic adjustment. But what I also love about her is that she’s really taught me how to do a lot of great exercises and stretches that I could do daily and she can even see in my body, how I’m adapting and, and responding to my daily routine. And I just appreciate that so much because it makes me feel like being proactive. In my last labor I think if you remember I shared with you it was a 26 and a half hour labor and Eviva just wasn’t in really good position. And obviously, I think I didn’t have all that much control over that. And if I could have any control over it, I’m doing it now. You know, I mean, I just don’t know, I just want to do anything I can to help open up my hips and and have my pelvic floor just as as open and relaxed as possible. And so I really think the stretches that I’m doing are going to really help and we’ll know when I go into labor. But I’ll tell you, it just feels so good to do these stretches. And so she really helps guide me and make sure that I’m doing them properly. And then that every two week adjustment just like helps everything feels so good. So that’s something that was really nourishing me.
Robin Kaplan 8:21
Elana Roumell 8:22
Yeah. Alright, so let’s go ahead and jump in because we have so many cool things to talk about. The first thing is for people who don’t know about you, if they haven’t listened to the episode we did a number of months ago, just share a little bit about yourself, and just how you got so passionate about helping nursing Mama’s
Robin Kaplan 8:37
Sure. So I have two boys, Ben and Ryan, Ben will be 14 by the time this episode airs. And Ryan is 12 and a half. And so I really didn’t know much about breastfeeding before they were born, I had just taken a class. And with both of them I had some pretty challenging experiences with them. And I had a lactation consultant come to my home for both of them, and really made a difference to help us get on track. So that way I was able to continue to breastfeed them. And then yeah, but that’s kind of it. I mean, that that’s the shortened version of it. And so I ended up quitting my job when Ryan was about nine months old and wasn’t sure what I wanted to do. And so my step mom is a doula. And she was like, Hey, you like breastfeeding? And I used to be a teacher. So she was like, you like teaching? Why don’t you, you know, become a lactic or shoot, we were thinking about becoming like a breastfeeding educator. So teaching like prenatal breastfeeding classes. But once I started taking the course for that, I got hooked, and so decided I wanted to become a lactation consultant. So that way, I could be one of those people, when, when those families were feeling like they were in crisis, you know, they could call me and then I could help give them the resources and the support. So that way I could kind of pay it forward. I’ve been doing that for 10 years. Yeah, it’s crazy, longest job I’ve ever had.
Elana Roumell 9:55
Yes. But you know, oftentimes our struggles are what create our gifts in life, right? It’s like it gives us access to really empathizing and helping other people. So I think that’s wonderful. And the other thing is that you are a great teacher, it’s one of the things I’m most drawn to you. In fact, I think you and for me, too, if I wasn’t a doctor, I’d be a teacher, I just I love teaching. But the cool thing is we both get to do both in our jobs. Our jobs are so heavily influenced with education, and you just created a new online course to really teach moms how to get back to work and, and really help them, you know, overcome the anxiety and stress and just be prepared to get back to work. So I’m so excited to share your course with our audience, because I just know how valuable it is to be really clear and understand what to expect. So let’s go ahead and dive in. Since we’re going to talk, we’re really our listeners are likely working moms because they’re interested in this, we want to really help them prepare themselves to get back to work. So can you tell me a little bit about what some recommendations, you have to just help decrease their anxiety and stress because I hear it in my patients. I know personally, when I was going back to work, it causes a lot of anxiety and unfortunately can really affect our milk supply. So tell us a little bit about your experience and some tips that you can share.
Robin Kaplan 11:13
Absolutely. So when you were talking in the intro just about how you’re preparing your body for birthing another baby; that’s the reason I created this course. And the main reason is, is that I remember that anxiety, I remember that feeling of overwhelm, and just the not knowing what the preparation should be for when I return to work. And then when I’m back at work, how to keep that anxiety and overwhelm down so that way I could keep up my milk supply. And to be honest, I wasn’t as successful as I had hoped. In my own personal experience. I did not breastfeed my boys as long as I had intended. And I really do think it’s because it’s due to this lack of preparation. And so I created this course with pregnant families in mind as well as those who are on maternity leave, and granted, people can take the course that they’ve already returned to work but really the goal is to prepare parents for preparing themselves. So getting their freezer stash ready like preparing their baby. So those kiddos that, you know, don’t take a bottle, we want to figure that out before we go back to work, we want to prepare our child’s caregivers, so making sure that we’re not being sabotaged, and you know, not on purpose. But essentially, my kids convinced their grandparents that they wanted six to eight ounces per bottle. And there was no way that I was ever going to produce that much. And so it would have been helpful for me to have this information to be able to share with their caregivers like this is how much the baby actually really needs. And then also preparing our supervisor. So for this transition back to work that these are the expectations that we have, and this is what the law is to protect our rights to pump at work. But it also means that I’m still going to be a really effective employee, I just need to take a few breaks, which actually by law, you’re required to give me anyway.
Elana Roumell 13:00
I really want to ask a lot about that. So before we get into that, because I’m curious what the laws are. And I think moms need to know, so they can really be proactive. But before we go into that, I just want to say I’m, I’m so aligned with what you’re saying as far as being prepared. Because I find that when I’m prepared, my anxiety is really non existent. But when I’m not prepared, and I just go into something blind, I really feel it in my body. And I really see that my mind takes over. And I just get so paranoid about things. And so I think that’s why I’ve just learned how to be such a planner in life. For me, it naturally comes I know, Stephanie, my coach and I, we always kind of joke about this, like, she knows how much like I love planning, and she’s not as big of a planner. But she’s also learned how planning is so important. So she’s like adapted to that. Whereas for me, it’s just like this natural tendency, I think, no matter what, as, as any type of mom, whether you’re going back to work, if you’re not just going into nursing, everything is about preparation and planning. And so the more education we have, the more empowered we can feel, and proactive we can be to go into this, which will absolutely lessen the stress and worry, which will save you a lot of breast milk concerns, in fact, because we see that anxiety is a big correlation with decrease breast milk. So can you actually let us know a little bit or teach us about why does anxiety or stress cause low milk production? Like, take us a little bit into that world?
Robin Kaplan 14:29
Sure. I mean, I don’t have all of the answers to that question, because that’s a very, very complex question. But when you think about the hormones that are required to release your milk, so oxytocin, oxytocin is the love hormone, it’s the same hormone, that we release that during an orgasm. And so we think of, you know, they’re kind of similar, where if you, you can’t relax to let go, you’re not going to accomplish the goal that you’re looking for. And so we need to be able to decompress before we breastfeed or especially when we’re back at work, like we’re not snuggling, this cute little baby that’s playing with our hair, and pulling on our bra strap and making you know, and making raspberry noises. You know, while they’re feeding, like, we’re looking down at this plastic thing that’s hooked up to a motor, that now we have this expectation that Okay, so this thing needs to remove my milk so I can feed my baby. And if we’re leaving a stressful situation, like a meeting, or the pumps not working as effectively as we had hoped, and our anxiety is, you know, spiking and our overwhelm is spiking, we’re just not going to be able to relax enough to where the pump can initiate that oxytocin release, to get the milk to let down. So it’s not necessarily that the anxiety is going to decrease the milk supply straight away, but it’s over time, if we’re not emptying the vessels, then it’s going to tell our body to reduce the amount that you know, it’s producing. So it’s more of kind of a long term thing that, you know, I’d be more concerned about, like leaving a stressful situation and not being able to pump well for one pumping session isn’t going to tank your supply, but it could cause plugged ducts, you know, I could cause some discomfort. And so we really want to do everything we can to just have the most Zen situation possible when we’re breastfeeding and pumping, just so that way our milk comes out.
Elana Roumell 16:25
Great. I agree with that. And I think that we could do our best to create that environment at work. Maybe that’s bringing essential oils with to defuse during the pumping, or maybe that’s doing breath work during pumping. I mean, I think even if you’re in a stressful work environment, there are still ways we can create those environments. So that’s really hopeful. And I think that’s really great. But yes, I agree. I don’t think it’s going to plummet so quickly. But in my experience, Robin, I remember when I was going back to work, it was easily two to three weeks prior to my first day of work that I was already feeling anxious. I was already thinking, Okay, when am I going to pump? I need enough breaks in between patients. Okay, what bags do I need to bring? How many ice coolers like it was just this tons of planning that I was like, wait a minute, this is impeding my maternity leave?
Robin Kaplan 17:17
Elana Roumell 17:17
You know, like, I’m not supposed to be worried about this right now. But it was still present in my mind weeks prior. So I wanted to give that to moms a heads up, I’m sure other people can relate.
Robin Kaplan 17:28
And we have a free guide on our website. And that essentially kind of walks you through from like going out on maternity leave, and then being on maternity leave, like what are the steps that should take place? So that way, you’re starting that preparation. So that way, you’re not thinking like, Okay, what do I need to do? What do I need to get, you know, things like that, like, it’s kind of laid out for you. And you have show notes? Correct?
Elana Roumell 17:54
Yeah. So yeah, Robin, send me that link. I was just making a note on that. Absolutely. I mean, every mom, should just have that. That’s great. Okay, let’s go in if you don’t mind to just what are moms rights in the workplace, because I think this really helps them advocate for themselves when they’re very clear. And I’m not sure if it changes state to state, I know you’re in California. So I’m sure you’re an expert here. But if you can try to speak since we have guests from all over the country, that would really be helpful.
Robin Kaplan 18:20
Sure. And these will be you know, specific to the United States. Although I do feel like first of all other countries have way better maternity leave than we do. But let’s be real about that. But secondly, I think you know, that these resources could still be utilized in other countries. So essentially, there is a wonderful resource online called Break Time for Nursing mothers, it’s from a government organization on women’s health. And so I can give you the link to that as well. But so it goes very specifically of what the federal laws are. And then each state is able to fine tune it and make it better if they’d like. So in California, it’s better than just the basic one, but the essential components of it are, if you are working for a business that has more than 50 employees, they are required by law to provide you reasonable break time for pumping and reasonable should be put in air quotes because it really depends on the business and what they deem as being reasonable, most can find that you know, 15 to 20 minutes, every couple hours is reasonable. Because if you work over three and a half hours, you are required to have a 15 minute, you know, break, whether it’s paid or unpaid depends on your state. But you’re required to have a break at that point anyway. And then so Okay, so reasonable break time, as well as it has to be a space that is free from intrusion, so no one is able to walk in on you. And it has to be private, and it may not be a restroom. So no matter how beautiful if you work in a spa, in your locker room and your restroom is fantastic. It doesn’t matter, it’s still has to be a place outside of the restroom. Because would you eat your lunch there? You know it, we’re making lunch for our babies. So it cannot be a restroom. So those are the standard laws. And then each, each state can determine whether those 15 minute breaks paid, because they would be paid if you were taking a snack break, you know, are your lunch breaks paid or unpaid. And so if they’re paid for a break, then you’re paid to pump. That’s no different. But if it’s unpaid in your state, then you’re not allowed to use they’re not required to pay you for those breaks.
Elana Roumell 20:34
But just to be clear, Robin, so these standards are across all states here and at least the United States. This is a yes. At a minimum, every Oh, but this is only if you have 50 employees.
Robin Kaplan 20:47
Yes. And okay. Glad that you mentioned Yeah, if it’s a small business, there’s no law. So if so, but the thing is, is that from an employer standpoint, we want to retain our employees, we want to keep our employees happy. And so even though my business has less than 50 people granted, I’m a breastfeeding business, of course, I’m going to give my employees you know, pumping time however, though, even if it wasn’t the time and money that it takes to retrain, hire, and train a new employee, I would rather have someone take 15 minute breaks and go and pump because I don’t especially you know, if they’re good employee, so keep that in mind that, again, it’s the preparation that we set up and the expectations that we set up while on maternity leave with our office, with our employer, with our supervisor, to talk about that this is temporary, and it’s going to make you a better employee, because that time is going to be blocked off and you just release that anxiety and overwhelm and the mind space of “When am I going to pump When am I going to pump” if it’s already set in place and it’s already you know, the preparations, you know, everything’s laid out, you just go and pump and you’re done. And then you get back to work. So, you know, it doesn’t have to be something that’s going to break in the business.
Elana Roumell 22:05
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So I would love some advice for some of our listeners who aren’t actually even getting the standards. So for example, we have nurses who are reaching out to us and you know, nurses have the 12 hour shifts. And one of the moms shared how she has a 14 hour day. And she says she’s only allowed to pump three times Max. Does that seem like it complies within the standard law? or What can she do to help be more of an advocate for herself?
Robin Kaplan 23:42
Sure. So, I think what she would have to look at and anyone who is feeling like they’re not getting enough pumping breaks for the hours they’re at work, you have to look at your state break laws. And so if your state break laws based on the hours that you’re working, only allow you to have three breaks, then they are compliant with the law. But let’s think out of the box here for a second. What if And granted, I don’t want to add more hours to a 12 hour shift, but think about this, what if, are you able to come in 15 minutes early, so you can take an extra 15 minute time, you know, throughout the day, I realized that nurses often work shifts like seven to seven. So that may not be possible. But another thinking out of the box thing, what if you pumped on the way to work, and so from your car, and there are definitely safe ways to do this, although you want to practice this in your neighborhood before getting on the highway, but pumping in the car on the way to work you just took that maybe you wanted for break, you know, four pumping times, well, you just knocked one off your list there. So you pump on the way to work and then space it out every three and a half hours. And the other thing too is that say you know you’ve got 15 minute, small breaks, but then a 45 minute, half an hour to hour long lunch break. So you pump for shorter amounts of time in those small breaks. But then pump for longer during your lunch break when you’re feeding yourself as well. So there are ways to make this work. And even if it feels like you’re not getting enough sessions.
Elana Roumell 25:12
Again, I think it just has a lot to do with planning. Yeah, and also being courageous enough to ask your boss for what you really need. I know one of the moms was also concerned that she’s only allowed to pump every three hours. I guess in her work she gets every three hours, but she finds she actually needs more to keep her supply up. What would you say to her in this regard?
Robin Kaplan 25:34
That’s a great question. So we got to look at the pump and the flanges because you really should be able to maintain a milk supply pumping every three hours. Because think about it, babies often will start going for longer periods of time in the middle of the night, but it still keeps up your milk supply. So if that’s the case, and I know a question that I get oftentimes to as well, I can’t pump in 15 minutes, it takes 30 minutes to get all the milk out, it should not take 30 minutes to get the milk out. And yes, I realize every once in a while there are extenuating circumstances where a woman really does not respond to no matter what pump or flange she’s using. And it takes 30 minutes. And if that’s the case, I apologize, because that that’s a lot of time to take. However, though, for anyone else who’s pumping feeling like they need to pump for 30 minutes, I would encourage you to, again, we talked about this on our course, but also either try out different pump flanges or meet with a lactation consultant and do a pump fitting, a pump flange fitting, because there’s a very good chance that there’s a better size flange that’s going to get your milk out in 15 minutes rather than 30, or allow you to go those three hours rather than needing to pump every two. Does that make sense?
Elana Roumell 26:44
Yes. And I love everything to do with efficiency. So this is fantastic. Because I agree I mean, who wants to sit there for 30 minutes with the pump? No one. So if that’s what’s happening to you, then you need some guidance and something is wrong. So I just love that you’re saying that, because I’ve heard this a lot with moms. And it’s no fault of anyone’s, but just the fact that we just don’t have the education around it. So who would have thought that the flanges are the wrong size or who would have thought that, you know, this breast pump may not be the best for this woman. So I think those are really great tips.
Robin Kaplan 27:16
I mean, there you know, some women, like I mentioned, like no matter how many different ones we try, they still don’t work well. And that’s because I mean, we’re relying on a piece of silicone to fit our completely different shaped boobs into, you know, so sometimes no matter what you do, it doesn’t work. And if that’s the case, then advocating for yourself with your supervisor, and again, just letting them know that this is temporary. And if you are able to maybe come in a little bit early, or leave a little bit late. So that way you are allowed those 20 to 30 minutes, you know a little bit longer. Hopefully they would be understanding with that.
Elana Roumell 27:54
Okay, now I love this question. I thought this was actually funny. I kind of laughed when I got it. She says how do you tell co workers to stop interrupting you when you’re pumping?
Robin Kaplan 28:03
Yeah, oh my gosh. So this is Yeah, the first day I was back at work, I had a sign on the outside of my door that said, Please do not disturb. And as I was taking the pump pieces off, and it just pulled my shirt down, someone from HR just walked in. And I was like, Did you not see the sign on the door and it’s amazing, like, and I didn’t put that I was pumping but seriously that I have to put that, you know, to freak them out to not come in. So again, signage can, should be helpful. And then I guess it depends on where you’re pumping. So if you’re going to a room, you know, maybe asking for a lock on the door, or code so that way, the only people who know what are the people who are actually pumping, because again, this the law states it should be a space free from intrusion. So even if they’re like, not intrusive rudely, but they’re just asking for, you know, asking for you to help out with something like that break time, they’re not allowed to be in there. So I think maybe setting some parameters, setting up some signage, and then just talking to whomever the offenders seem to be, who are seeming to bother, you know, just saying like, Look, you know, I I need space, because this is kind of private what I’m doing, and I can’t have you come in. So I will let you know that I will be available at X amount of time. And also, you know, if you’re using a shared calendar work, blocking that time off, and so that way, like you are unavailable from 10 to 1020, every you know, every day or every Monday, for example, that you’re pumping time on Monday. And so that way, like if someone’s looking for you that you’re unavailable, and they can wait until 1025, to come and talk to you about it.
Elana Roumell 29:43
Great. I think that’s great. And I do really like that idea of scheduling and blocking off time in my industry and yours as well, since we have patient visits, that’s easy to do. I mean, we just we have to block it off in our schedule. But in some other industries where it’s not necessarily your day doesn’t look like appointments, your days just look like open hours of just getting work done. And all your to Do’s, I do think it’s very important that you still plan those times. So that like you said, your coworker knows, hey, you’re off between 10 to 10:25. Period, you’re just not available for anything. So I do encourage that too. I think that’s that’s a really great tip. Okay, great. Let’s talk about prepping the freezer ahead of time before going back to work because this could be very overwhelming. And also very confusing. I find that with my patients, some of them will actually over pack, like yeah, just pumping and pumping and pumping, and then their their bodies almost getting this rhythm that they’re they almost like are producing for twins. And that can actually have repercussions. And then there’s the moms who actually don’t have enough and now they’re anxious because they’re not pumping enough at work. So tell me a little bit I guess let me go through the questions specifically from moms, because I think this will help is the first one is just how much milk storage should I have prior to going to work? What do you think would be just a good average goal?
Robin Kaplan 30:59
Sure. So my go to is about 30 ounces in the freezer, separated into bags between like two to four ounces. So essentially, this is two to three days, you know, depending on your work day, and how often your baby’s feeding and stuff like that, that you’ll be away. And so it gives you a little bit of a kind of like a buffer. So say one day, you just had meetings all day, and you weren’t able to get in your three pumping sessions and you only pump twice and you came home with a couple ounces shy, you could pull from the freezer the next day. But yeah, really, we’re not aiming for, you know, hundreds of ounces in the freezer, and we see those photos on Instagram and Facebook all the time. And I just want to be like, oh, gosh, please stop sharing that. Like, that’s so wonderful that you did that. And that you were able to produce that much like that’s incredible. But I don’t want other people to think that’s what the expectation is. It’s not that it’s just about 30 ounces should set you up for having enough and having a buffer as well.
Elana Roumell 31:59
So glad you said that. Because when I see those photos too, what goes through my mind is Oh, maybe I’m not doing this right. Or, oh my gosh, how is she doing that? Because I don’t even know how that’s possible. So I think that’s good just to again, shine some light and educate you know, and this helps empower moms is really the milk that you’re pumping at work is really going to be the milk that’s going to be served to your child the next day. The freezer stash is just the backup in case there wasn’t enough that correct? ,
Robin Kaplan 32:31
Correct. Yeah that’s right. Yep.
Elana Roumell 32:32
And in fact, I like that because it’s fresher milk too, you know, I am of the belief that it’s great. I mean, the fresher you can get, the better, you know, our milk, the constituents are perfectly balanced for the age of that child. And so, of course, if you have milk that was frozen from the newborn stage, now your child’s three months, you could still feed that child, but it is a different, it’s different composition, that’s the word I’m looking for thanks, it’s a different composition. So the fresher it is you know, it’s just great. And then you are going to be pumping, if you don’t even want to pump, your boobs are going to force you to pump; they tell us so I think that that can help give some peace of mind to not have to over stock the freezer. But just to keep up with the demand. How long should a pump session be and how frequently and I think we’ve kind of addressed this, but let’s go ahead and talk about it now just to even keep up with the demand of your child.
Robin Kaplan 33:26
Sure. So ideally, pumping roughly every two and a half to three hours. And two and a half is like if you’re there for an eight hour work day, and you’re not going to make it three hours, you know, somewhere between two and a half and three hours is great. And really the ideal part is pumping for 15 minutes.
Elana Roumell 33:44
Okay, great. And then of course, it still takes time to take out the pump and then to clean the parts. So ideally, do you want to just maybe try to block off 20 minutes and pump for 15? Is that a good stretch?
Robin Kaplan 33:56
Yeah, and you know, also just strategy wise, looking at where is the pumping room? So is it some place that’s close by, and a pumping space, by the way doesn’t have to be a permanent space, it can be temporary, I mean, they can build spaces with room dividers, you know, to just create something that is private. And so you know, it could be a converted storage closet for the time that someone’s pumping. And then if there are no pumping parents there at that, you know, for a couple months, they can convert it back to something else. So and now, yes, you need a little bit of time for setup and take down.
Elana Roumell 34:30
Obviously, by laws, you stated, if it’s a workspace that has more than 50 employees, they do need to give you a dedicated room. But if it is a small company, I’ve heard of moms just going to their car. And yes, the nice thing about that is one no one can interrupt you. So you know, and you could have your cooler there, everything’s just set up and then you could just kind of pump go and then you know, leave it. So that’s another option.
Robin Kaplan 34:54
I mean, I I do want to say though that employers cannot request that if if a pumping parent decided that they wanted to pump in their own car, then absolutely, that’s available to them to do. But an employer can’t say like, hey, just go pump in your car. They can’t get out of it that way.
Elana Roumell 35:12
Even if it’s a small business less than 50 employees? And yeah, see, I know. So just to give people options, you know that that is true. If it’s over 50, they legally have to provide that room. So I understand that. Okay, can you talk about realistic pumping output expectations? I find a lot of moms get so worried because mid day, maybe they’re only producing one or two ounces. But in the morning, they just pump five to eight ounces. And so I just think having realistic expectations is so nice. Can you give us an idea of what they can expect?
Robin Kaplan 35:44
Yeah, and I love that you mentioned that, you know, the pumping outputs are going to be different based on time of day, it’s going to be different based on when you last pump. So maybe you pump after two, you know, two hours after your last pumping session and you got less, but if you pump four hours, then you you get more. Now granted, you know, I get the question all the time, well, what if I just pumped once, and then I went six hours I get a whole ton of milk, but then that’s telling your body to start decreasing your milk supply. So you want to keep it like that every two and a half, three hours or even three and a half hours for those long days, if possible, but the pumping output, First of all, we want to make sure that it’s matching what your baby is in taking when you’re gone. So a baby takes anywhere from umm. Well, I guess, let me back up for a second depends on the weight of your baby. So I would assume that many people who are going back to work if they’re going back to work around the three month mark babies most likely weighing somewhere between 11 to 13 pounds, I realized that some babies will be smaller than that. But essentially, if your baby’s 11 pounds they’re taking in about 26 ounces a day, they’re 12 pounds, they’re taking in about 28 ounces a day. And once they hit 13 pounds taking 30 ounces a day. And they don’t go up from there. And so that being the case, if you know your baby is a 13 pounder, and is feeding eight times a day, then they need about three and a half ounces per feeding. And so if you’re going to be gone for three feedings, then the expectation would be that you would bring home about 12 ounces of milk. That makes sense. But but there’s shorter answer, I totally just cut you off. Sorry. The shorter answer is we’re looking for about an ounce to an ounce and a half per hour since you last pumped.
Elana Roumell 37:26
I don’t mean to cut you. I’m so sorry. I’m just fascinated by this because you said something that once you reach the 13 pounds, and you’re 30 ounces, you’re saying it kind of maxes out. Tell me a little bit about that, because I had no idea about that.
Robin Kaplan 37:39
Yeah, so I mean, some women’s body makes a lot more if you’re producing for twins, you’re obviously going to, you know, the hope is that you have more than 30 ounces, but your body just kind of shuts off at that point. So most women, this is general. And so somewhere between 30-32 ounces, maybe and so that stays the same. And that’s why our baby’s growth curve slows down. So you know, we’ve got this really, really high ascent, and then it kind of plateaus a little bit more. And so and then around six months, we start you know, introducing solids. And then that’s what keeps up their weight gain as they continue to gain weight because they need more calories. But we’re not really producing more volume at that point.
Elana Roumell 38:18
So this is great. So then this information applies to a mom who may be going back to work even when their child six months or even a year, because the 30 ounce kind of mark is really what they’re going to be needing. So would you say that’s accurate for any child over the 13 pounds? You can still apply the same rule?
Robin Kaplan 38:37
Good question. So as we get closer to like 10 months, 11 months, a year, there’s no, I have never found really good evidence or research about how much that baby is taking. And I believe the reason is, it’s been as everybody takes on a different amount of solids, too. So we can’t assume that okay, straight across the board it’s easier do up to six months, because they’re not eating solid foods yet. So we know how much they need for volume for milk, but anything over that, that number tends to go down as they get closer to a year, which can be really helpful for a mom who’s noticing that maybe her pumping output is going down a little bit as she gets to the 10, 11, 12 month mark. And that’s okay, because then we just beef up solids a little bit
Elana Roumell 39:25
Great. Yeah, I think that’s great strategy. And it also is just a little bit easier for Mom, it’s less pressure on her as well. But what I found personally with the Eviva was, I really kept up with this, every two and a half to three hour feeds, whether it was you know, breast fed or pumping session. But once she turned around six months, I was able to push my hours at work more like I was able to go four to five hours, but I just I made sure I completely emptied my breasts right before going in. And then the minute I got home, she fed because I knew she had solids and I just was able to keep up my milk supply. Was I risking it? Or could people kind of work that wave as long as they have these shorter shifts?
Robin Kaplan 40:09
Well, so I would say that everybody’s different. But if you would have noticed that your output was starting to go down, then you just go back to every three hours.
Elana Roumell 40:20
Yes, absolutely. And so it is very individual it sounds like
Robin Kaplan 40:24
it is and I know you had sent over a couple questions, and one of the questions was for teachers. And I see that a lot of times for teachers that I work with, they may not be able to pump until lunchtime, because their break is 10 minutes and they have to go run and take care of stuff in between that time. So that doesn’t necessarily mean that their supplies going to tank however, though I love your recommendation what you did you pump to drain before you started your day. So even if you breastfed your baby at seven, and then you started work at eight, pumping, right before, to really clear out the system, if you’re gonna go four to five hours, and then pump for not 15 minutes, but pump for 20 to 30 minutes, if possible, just to kind of make up for essentially skipping a pumping session. And it’s very doable. And so and then at that point, if you notice your supply going down, then we try to make arrangements where Can someone else, you know, take care of your kids, you know, if you’re a teacher, for example, can you skip out of recess duty for the next couple months, and then pick up, you know, pick up more shifts when you’re not pumping as frequently. Stuff like that.
Elana Roumell 41:30
And I do really think a lot of it has to do with the age of the child because you taught me that your milk supply really regulates after three months, I just think that zero to three months, you want to be on top of it like yes, you don’t want to try to space them out or spread them out or skip anything. Because that’s really going to dictate what the three plus months will be. So you do agree with that?
Robin Kaplan 41:52
Elana Roumell 41:53
Yeah. I mean, I wouldn’t even consider touching that. And then to me, I felt like by the six month I just my body just got it like it didn’t need that, like every two and a half hour to three hour alarm, you know? Yeah, just I knew if I could go all the way through the night, like I could go through the day. But again, I was always assessing my output. So yeah, yeah. So always keep in touch with them. Okay, great. So the last question about the freezer stash is kind of about over producing. So I kind of mentioned that a little bit introducing this section is I do worry about the moms to be honest who just literally have hundreds of ounces in their freezer. And I’m just wondering, are there problems with that? Or if a mom really wants to do that? Go for it. Can you speak a little bit about that?
Robin Kaplan 42:37
Sure. So if a mom is able to do that in and I say this in just a little bit, but I do mean it, like maintain her sanity, like, you know, it’s not something that like she feels like she can’t get out of the house and stuff like that, if she, sure you can pump after breastfeeding sessions while you know while you’re at home with your baby on maternity leave, and I typically recommend just pumping once a day after breastfeeding. But but some pump it you know, some breastfeeding parents will continue to pump even more than that. And it’s fine. The only time it becomes a challenge is if that if they’re getting plugged out or getting mastitis because they’re dealing with an incredible oversupply, then I would say let’s cut back a little bit. But it’s not necessarily that if you pump two or three times after breastfeeding sessions while on maternity leave that you’re going to create an oversupply. It’s really only if you already have one, and then you’re just exacerbating the issue.
Elana Roumell 43:33
Yeah, I think that’s great. So again, it’s so individual at this point, and I do love that you brought up as long as you feel sane about it. Because Yeah, I have seen some moms, not very many, but there are some that they’re so stuck with their routine, and they nurse and then they pump and it just over time it wears on them that that’s probably a sign that like, okay, hey, back off, you know, yeah. Now it’s another thing if you’re supplying milk and donating it, I mean, man, that is probably the biggest like Angel type of mom, because I know how hard it is just a nurse and then on top of it, provide for another child. So if that’s something that you’re up for, then of course, this makes sense. And really, I send all of my love out to each of you who are up for that, because there are plenty of babies who can use that and moms who are in need so so that’s also another gift kind of over supplying. But that is just something again to be mindful of, of does this work for you day to day? Exactly. Great. Okay, great. So the other topic that I really don’t want to miss out on before we end is really advice to moms whose babies just aren’t taking a bottle easily. Yeah, so they are away at work. They’re really trying to get that bottle in the child’s totally not interested, can you give them some advice? Because this has to be so challenging for both baby and parents and caregivers. Everyone involved. ,
Robin Kaplan 44:53
Oh, no kidding, no kidding. Well, so first off, I would say we do have a blog article on our website about this that kind of lists like 10 different things that you can try to see if your baby will start taking a bottle and I can send you the link to that. I think it’s called help my baby won’t take a bottle, but we’ll walk through some of those that I can think of off the top of my head. So the first thing is we want to introduce a bottle during the baby’s window of opportunity, which is like between three and six weeks of age, the longer we wait to introduce and maintain a relationship with a bottle for the baby, babies start to become very particular about what goes in their mouth. And so, they love their hands in their mouth as they get close to three months. And they if they’ve been exclusively breastfeeding, you know, are getting bottles here and there, but mostly breastfeeding if they haven’t had practice with the bottle in a while, they might look at you like you have four heads when you try to put that in their mouth. And they don’t care that there’s food in it. They don’t want it, they want you. And so really establishing this routine of introduction of a bottle and an offering and a couple times a week can be really critical in helping babies understand that there are multiple ways to feed and that when you know mom does go back to work that the bottle is a fine option. If your baby is rejecting the bottle before you go back to work, you want to meet with a lactation consultant, because we don’t just help with breastfeeding, we also help with bottle feeding. And if a baby’s rejecting a bottle, even especially at an early age, like three to six weeks of age, they’re actually trying to tell us something. And so it’s not that they just want Mom, it’s because they have this innate sucking reflex. And they really should be fine with a bottle in their mouth. So something is causing this to be difficult for them. And whether it’s a tongue tie, whether it’s a super sensitive gag reflex, super high palate, things like that, you know, maybe they choked a couple times the first time they took a bottle and so they’re rejecting it that way. There are so many ways to fix that situation, then and there. So I wholeheartedly would, say if your baby has been rejecting a bottle for over a week, and you’ve offered it once a day, make an appointment with a lactation consultant to figure out why they’re rejecting it. Because that’s not supposed to happen. They are supposed to be willing to take a bottle
Elana Roumell 47:13
Robin, I don’t know why, but I just never considered a lactation consultant to help with bottle feeding.
I can’t believe it like it’s like yeah.
Robin Kaplan 47:24
We have like a whole bottle bar in our office which sounds
I wish we we have like 10 different bottles. So parents will bring in you know, either breast milk or formula wherever they’re feeding. And we poured into we sterilize our bottles, you know, after we use them. And so they bring what they want to you know, try to feed their baby and so that way you didn’t have to go out and buy 10 different bottles.
Elana Roumell 47:28
What is that?
Oh my gosh, I love that.
Robin Kaplan 47:48
Yeah, so not all lactation consultants do that. And I guess I should say I mean, I would assume most will help with bottle feeding all the ones I know do. But if you call a lactation consultant, they don’t help with that then call someone else, because we help with infants feeding it’s not just breast feeding
Elana Roumell 48:01
I love it. Thanks for being so clear. And I also got this great question. And I thought this was interesting is this mom’s baby doesn’t like pumped milk just period. And I’m not sure you know how she differentiates this possibly maybe she tries formula and the baby will take it through a bottle but the pump milk he won’t. That’s my guess I don’t know the details. But she’s just wondering, does this happen often? And if so why?
Robin Kaplan 48:25
Okay, good question. We definitely get this a lot. So it is hard to discern whether she meant just complete bottle rejection. So I’m going to I’m going to assume that she’s tried maybe freshly pumped milk, and then frozen milk or milk that’s been in the fridge for a while and so Baby, maybe baby will only take milk like pump straight from the tap and then put in the bottle. But if your baby’s rejecting milk that’s been stored for any amount of time from a couple hours to you know, time in the freezer, there’s a chance that mom has something called excess lipase. So excess lipase, what it does so lipase breaks down the fats and milk. And so if there’s excess lipase, what it does is it turns the milk sour. And it’s not that the milk is unsuitable for a baby to consume. But a lot of babies don’t like the flavor of it, it tastes soapy or it tastes sour. Oftentimes, I mean, if you smell it, like it smells funky, and so and some moms will find that the lipase, that doesn’t really start to kick in bad you know, until the milk has been in the freezer, or in the fridge for 24 hours. But others will find that it starts to turn pretty quickly. So you want to do a science experiment to find out will your baby take it freshly pumped, but at what point will your baby start to reject it. And if if you find that the freshly put milk is fine, but at a certain point, they start to reject it after it’s been stored, then you want to you need to scald your milk to deactivate that lipase. So putting it in the freezer is not going to deactivate it, you have to you have to bring it up to boiling. So we also have articles on our website about this. It’s a kind of a pain in the butt task. But I mean, it’s definitely worth it if it’s going to save your milk. And if you already have milk frozen, and it’s you haven’t scalded it, I mean, you can use that later on when you’re mixing it with like solid foods or pour it in a smoothie or use it in the bath. I mean, you don’t have to throw away all your un-scalded milk. But but there’s a very good chance that that’s why the babies rejecting it.
Elana Roumell 50:25
That’s interesting. And do you know what percent of the population this occurs?
Robin Kaplan 50:29
It’s super small. And one of the first things I ask is if a mom is taking a lot of omega threes, there seems to be some sort of tie between excess lipase and like women who’s consuming, you know, omega threes, flaxseed, stuff like that. So if we decrease that sometimes that helps.
Elana Roumell 50:50
Interesting. And I know, I’m curious if in this individual mom, if it happens with every child she has or could it have been with just one and not the other. Do you have any idea about that?
Robin Kaplan 51:01
I mean, typically, if you have excess lipase, it’s each time each child you breastfeed, however, some babies are not particular about so what they take, so it would be difficult to see if well, this didn’t happen with my last baby, well, maybe your last baby was just more open to taking whatever you put in your mouth. So okay, smell the milk, taste the milk and see if it tastes metallic sour, or soapy. And if it does, then you just figured it out. And you want to start introducing freshly freshly pumped milk to get your baby to start trusting the bottle again. And in the meantime, start scalding all the other milk that you’re storing.
Elana Roumell 51:40
So there’s really no laboratory tests for this. This is just simply per direct. And how long would you say you have I know the freshly obviously just the nursing fresh milk that that’s fine. But would you say with every individual, it really is different, for some it could be as little as 10 minutes. For others, it’s like an hour, could it really vary.
Robin Kaplan 52:01
I mean, usually we’re seeing it is like once it within like 24 to 48 hours, it starts to get a little funky. But I have had I’ve worked with families who it started getting funky within like three hours. So they actually had to scald their milk at work. But for the ones who was turning within 24 hours, you just bring all your milk home and you scald it when you get home at night when you’re cleaning all your pieces. And then once that milk is cooled, you put it in bags and stick it in a freezer back in the fridge. So it’s an extra step
Elana Roumell 52:32
I’m really glad. Yeah, this is a small percent because we also, we prefer not to heat the milk if we don’t have to, obviously, but I understand for some moms, this would be important. So I think that’s just a good thing to note that this is a very small part of the population that this happens. And if so then reach out to a lactation consultant, just to really get some good advice with that. Okay, great. I have three more questions that I know we’re running at a time. So hopefully, we can just get through these fast and hopefully you don’t mind because I just love all these questions. Just really quickly about just going back to work and cleaning pump parts like what are some of your tips? Do you just leave them being dirty, and then just bring them home? Do you want to try to find a sink to wash them out any good quick tips.
Robin Kaplan 53:13
So ideally, you want to wash all your pieces. But that’s not always possible, my recommendation would be I’ll give you a link for the show notes on where to find the most stringent rules on what you should do and how to make that happen. And honestly, one of the easiest things to do is just buy a bunch of extra pieces and just use different pieces at every pumping session, then you don’t have to clean anything. But I’ll give you a link to that. So I think it’s the CDC website, on how to clean your pump pieces when you’re pumping at work.
Elana Roumell 53:45
Okay, great. Thanks. I really appreciate that. Because I think you know, we all have to do it. So yeah, anything could help. Okay, great. How about just your favorite pump in the car? So you know, you brought this up earlier is like, Look, if you really want to be efficient pump in the car, do any favorite brands that you can recommend for that specifically?
Robin Kaplan 54:04
Good question. So and I unfortunately I cannot answer with brands just because I’m I’m bound by the World Health Organization, code of compliance where we’re not able to essentially talk specifically talk about brands in a general space. So what I can say is that, I would choose one that you can either plug into your car, so that way you have a battery source, or there are pumps that are have rechargeable batteries, so that would be really helpful. And then just getting a hands free pumping broad to keep the the pump pieces in place. That would be one option. Or there are other hands free pumps that slide into your bra that have their own motors attached to it, and they collect the milk inside the piece, essentially. So you take the whole piece out of your bra and the milk is in the bags or some of them are bagless that keep the milk in there, and then you just pour it out. So those would be kind of the two options, that would probably work the best, you definitely don’t want to lug a hospital grade pump and you don’t want to lug a hand pump And yeah, and do it while you’re sitting in traffic.
Elana Roumell 55:08
Okay, those are great points. Thank you. And then just the last question I loved this one from one of the moms was just any quick tips on a successful first day back to work. So she had some insight into like, how much extra time should I plan for in the morning just to even get out the door. Or perhaps Should I try to go back just once or twice per week before full time just as a trial run. And I I love this, I thought this was already such a proactive thinker. And so I wanted to hear some of your thoughts on that.
Robin Kaplan 55:36
So one, if you can go back to work just a couple days a week and ease your way in, that is amazing. I realize not a lot of people have that option, though. But if you do for sure, take advantage of it. I would also I recommend to everyone to do a trial day or two before you go back to work, where you drop your kid off at the caregivers or if you’re having a nanny your house of the nanny come and you actually prepare your bag and leave the house and miss a feeding session and pump somewhere else like at a friend’s house or you know, so that way your caregiver can work out some kinks as well. So I think just doing a trial run can be super helpful. And then yes, build in extra time. I mean, honestly, not even just the first week, but every day. Because I mean, like we were walking out of the house and my kid like spit up in my hair and all over my clothes. And I had to run back inside and get changed and try to clean the puke out of my hair and not very effectively. But still, you know. So just building in an extra 5-10 minutes where like if something comes up? Oh my gosh, how many times has your kid pooped? Like, while you’re on your way out
Elana Roumell 56:46
We’ve all been there.
Robin Kaplan 56:47
Exactly. So I think building in extra time can be hugely helpful. And we have lots of strategies in our online course as well too
Elana Roumell 56:54
great. Well, let’s go ahead and finish up with the online course. Because I just I mean, I could talk to you again, for like another hour about we’re gonna have to wrap up. I’m so excited for this online course. Because there’s only so many hours in the day that people can get you. I refer so many of my patients to you directly. And I know that there’s people all over the country that can really use someone like you. So tell us a little bit about what the online course entails. And then you’re so generous to offer our audience a discount. So please go ahead and share what they can find it and I will definitely add that to our show notes as well.
Robin Kaplan 57:24
Cool. So yeah, so the course is, it’s 14 info packed short videos. So the videos range from like three to seven minutes, which is, you know, that way, you’re only sitting down for short snippets of time during naps and things like that to get your preparation going. And it goes over like I mentioned in the beginning, like it goes over preparing yourself, your pump, your baby, your child’s caregiver and your supervisor. So really all the moving pieces, all the cooks in the kitchen, when you return to work. And so it gets all of that stuff prepared. There are a bunch of handouts. So ones to get your, your pumping schedule down. There is a handout on what to talk about with your supervisor, there’s a handout to give to your caregiver like this is how much my baby needs while I’m gone. These are some tricks for how to keep my baby soothed rather than just popping a bottle in their mouth and little things like that, that you can personalize. And then my favorite part about it, you mentioned that, you know, if you don’t live in San Diego, maybe you don’t have access to a lactation consultant or me or whatever. We have an exclusive private Facebook group as part of the course as well. So where I hold office hours once a week, to answer your questions, and then throughout the week, you can utilize the advice of other working parents to kind of troubleshoot and say, you know, see what’s working for other people to figure out how to make this transition back to work as seamless as possible. So my hope is, is that it’s going to reduce anxiety and overwhelm through preparation. And that way when we go back to work, I would hate for anyone to experience what many families do and what I experienced personally, if not meeting their breastfeeding goal because they went back to work. So my hope is that this course allows you to meet your breastfeeding goals, despite going back to work
Elana Roumell 59:13
great, I love it. I’m so excited to get to share this with our community here on Whole Mamas and just my patients and friends and family. So thanks for all the work I know how hard and, and labor intensive it is creating programs. But once you you know, just get it, it really takes a lot of passion to build this stuff. So thank you so much for doing that. I’m so excited for that. And then really just to end, I just want to thank you for your time and your contribution. You know, here at Whole Mamas we are such advocates of obviously optimal nutrition and living healthy lives and helping moms make this type of stuff workable in their day to day. And it does take a lot more energy to nurse and it does take a lot more energy to pump. And we’re all busy. We’ve got a lot of things going on. But I love your commitment to helping make this as easy as possible and just realistic for people. So again, thank you so much for all your time and your love and energy. It’s always great
Robin Kaplan 1:00:08
And I guess I forgot to mention where to find the course. So which
will be in the show notes.
But so our website is San Diego breastfeeding center .com, and there’s a drop down menu for our online courses. And so you can read the description about the course. And then the code for $15 off the course is whole Mama’s 15 and that doesn’t expire. So you know when whenever you’re listening to this, whether it’s next week or a year from that, you know, when the course or when when the episode is live and that that coupon code will still be available.
Elana Roumell 1:00:43
Thank you That’s so generous and I find your course to be very affordable. I think it’s it’s a great price point for all the listeners out there. So thanks for the extra discount. Have a great day. Robin, thank you so much again.
Robin Kaplan 1:00:55
Thank you so much Elana. .
Elana Roumell 1:00:56
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This episode's guest
Robin Kaplan is an International Board-Certified Lactation Consultant (IBCLC), frequent media commentator on the topic of breastfeeding, and the author of the new book, Latch: A Handbook for Breastfeeding with Confidence at Every Stage. She is also the founding host of The Boob Group, a podcast about breastfeeding hosted by New Mommy Media. Robin founded the San Diego Breastfeeding Center in 2009 and is an established voice in the parenting world known equally for her knowledge about lactation and her commitment to supporting moms without judging them, a keystone of her centers philosophy. She offers in-person breastfeeding help for families in San Diego and throughout the world, through online consulations. Robin lives in San Diego, CA with her two sons, Benjamin and Ryan, and their dog, Ellie. She loves cooking, traveling, hiking, and going to the beach.